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Fri May 10 18:56:24 1996
Subject: 0851 Plant Mutations

From: al4302
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:23:43 +0100

At 23:07 08/05/96 +0000, you wrote:
>From: Clinton R. Armitage
>Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:30:12 -0400
>
>A present and probably ongoing interest which I have, has to do with
>energies and how energies contribute to spontaneous transmutation (mutations
>) in the plant kingdom as well as controlled Mental focusing of
>energies in order to bring about predetermined mutations.
>If anyone connected with the Forum has or is working in a similar manner
>perhaps we could exchange thoughts.
>It is necessary to add that I am neither scientist nor scholar so my
>communications would be quite simple.
>Interests in " The Secret Life of Plants " ( who's author recently left the
>physical body ) and the Findhorn experiment in Scotland would probably be
>compatible.
>Kind regards,
>Clinton Armitage

You are on the right track, but look not to the plant but to the root
this is where you will find our mercury.

Fri May 10 18:56:34 1996
Subject: 0852 French-texts

From: JoelTetard
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:43:06 +0000

Mikhail Malt wrote :



In reply to your request I send a list of recent books and texts recently (i.e. since 1960) published in French and related to Alchemy.

Some of them are excellent, others could be certainly avoided !!!

Using "*" I tried to quote them according to my *own* interest (mainly targeted to the Dry Path of antimony).

Due to the fact this list was established from my own bookshelves this is obviously a subjective point of view. ;-)

Some of these books are certainly out of print now or could be difficult to order from your local dealer. In this case, you'd better to send a fax to one of the booksellers listed in my previous posting "Alchemy in France".

In the future I'll try to scan some (short) Alchemy French texts and to post them to the Alchemy Forum.

I'll be pleased to receive a similar list of English books :-)

Regards

Joel

------------------------------------------------------------------------

LEGE, LEGE, RELEGE...

1. OVERVIEW ON ALCHEMY :

BARDEAU (Fabrice)
Les clefs secretes de la chimie des Anciens
Robert Laffont, Paris, 1975

RIVIERE (Patrick)
L'Alchimie, science et mystique. - Pour comprendre la doctrine la plus secrete...
De Vecchi Poche, Milan, 1991

SADOUL Jacques
Le Grand Art de l'Alchimie
J'ai Lu, Paris, 1975
**

SADOUL Jacques
Le tresor des alchimistes
J'ai lu, Paris, 1976
***

--------------------------------------------------------------
STUDIES ON ALCHEMY AND ITS SYMBOLISM

BEATRICE Guy, BATFROI Severin
Terre du Dauphin et Grand Oeuvre Solaire
Dervy Livres, Paris, 1976

CAMACHO Jorge, GRUGER Alain
Heraldique Alchimique Nouvelle. Reflexions liminaires et epilogue d'E. Canseliet
Le Soleil Noir, Paris, 1978
***

CANSELIET Eugene F.C.H.
Deux logis alchimiques en marge de la Science et de l'Histoire
Jean-Jacques Pauvert, Paris, 1979
****

CANSELIET Eugene F.C.H.
Alchimie. Etudes diverses de Symbolisme hermetique Philosophale
Jean-Jacques Pauvert, Paris, 1978
***

CANSELIET Eugene F.C.H.
L'Alchimie et son Livre Muet. Reimpression integrale de l'edition orginale
Suger, Paris, 1986
*****

CANSELIET Eugene F.C.H.
Trois anciens traites d'alchimie. Calligraphie et prolegomenes d'E. Canseliet
Jean-Jacques Pauvert, Paris, 1975
**

CANSELIET Eugene, CAMACHO Jorge
L'Hermetisme dans la vie de Swift et dans ses voyages
Fata Morgana, Montpellier, 1983
***

FULCANELLI
Le Mystere des Cathedrales et l'interpretation esoterique des symboles hermetiques
J-J Pauvert, Paris, 1964
****

FULCANELLI
Les demeures philosophales et le symbolisme hermetique dans ses rapports avec l'Alchimie
J-J Pauvert, Paris, 1977
*****

HILLEL-ERLANGER Irene
Voyages en Kaleidoscope
La Table d'Emeraude, Paris, 1984 (Reprint)

---------------------------------------------------
DOCUMENTS ON ALCHEMY

AMADOU Robert
Le Feu du Soleil. Entretien sur l'Alchimie avec E. Canseliet
Pauvert, Paris, 1978
**

BARBAULT Armand
L'or du millieme matin
J=D5ai Lu, Paris, 1972
*

DUBOIS Genevieve
Fulcanelli devoile
Dervy, Paris, 1992
**

ELIADE Mircea
Le Mythe de l'Alchimie, suivi de L'Alchimie Asiatique
Livre de Poche, Paris, 1992

ELIADE Mircea
Forgerons et Alchimistes
Flammarion, Paris, 1977

ELIADE Mircea
Alchimie Asiatique
L'Herne, Paris, 1990

GAGNON Claude
Description du Livre des Figures Hieroglyphiques attribue a Nicolas Flamel ...
Ed. de l'Aurore, Montreal, 1977
*

GARCIA FONT Juan
Histoire de l'Alchimie en Espagne
Dervy-Livres, Paris, 1980

HOLMYARD E.J.
L'Alchimie
Arthaud, Paris, 1979

HUSSON Bernard
Transmutations alchimiques
J'ai Lu, Paris, 1974
***

JOLLIVET CASTELOT
Comment on devient alchimiste.
Ed. Rosicruciennes, Villeneuve-St.-Georges, 1987 (Reprint)
*

KLOSSOWSKI DE ROLA Stanislas
Florilege de l'Art secret d'Alchimie
Seuil, Paris, 1974
****

RANQUE Georges
La Pierre Philosophale
Robert Lafond, Paris, 19772
***

ROUAZE Isabelle
Un atelier de distillation du Moyen Age
Ed. Comite Travaux Historiques Scientifiques, Paris, 1989
*** (some interesting technical drawings of vessels !!) :-)

TEETER DOBBS Betty J.
Les Fondements de l'Alchimie de Newton ou la chasse au lion vert.
Guy Tredaniel, Paris, 1981
***

VON BERNUS Alexander
Medecine et Alchimie
Belfond, Paris, 1977

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REPRINTS

Some of these ancients texts are difficult to understand even for a native French speaker!!

Anonyme
Revelation de la Parole Cachee par la Sagesse des Anciens ou Genealogie...
Arma Artis, Neuilly/Seine, 1978
*

AURACH Georges
Le Jardin de Richesses. Texte calligraphie et preface par Bernard Biebel
Arma Artis, Neuilly/Seine, 1978
**

BASILE VALENTIN (Frere)
Les Douze Clefs de la Philosophie. Traduction, introduction, notes d'Eugene Canseliet
Editions de Minuit, Paris, 1984
***

CYLIANI
Hermes devoile, dedie a la posterite
Editions Traditionnelles, Paris, 1975
**

ETTEILLA
Les sept nuances de l'Oeuvre Philosophique-Hermetique
Arma Artis, Paris, 1977

FLAMEL Nicolas
Les Figures Hieroglyphiques, Le sommaire philosophique, Le livre des laveurs, Le Breviere
Pierre Belfond, Paris, 1973
**

GLASER Christophle
Traite de la chymie enseigne par une brieve et facile methode ...
Gutemberg Reprint, Paris (?), 1980
**

GRIMALDY de
Oeuvres Posthumes
La Table d'Emeraude, Paris, 0
***

HUSSON Bernard
Anthologie de l'Alchimie
Editions Pierre Belfond, Paris, O (70')
***** :-)
Out of print and very rare but try to find it !!! An excellent compilation of ancients texts published during golden-age of Alchemy in Europe.

KERDANEK de Pornic
Le livre des XXII feuillettes hermetiques. Par Kerdanek de Pornic, disciple de Dom Pernety
Phoenix, Genes, 1981
***

LE TESSON Jacques
L'Oeuvre du Lion Verd
Librairie de Medicis, Paris, 1978
**

Limojon DE SAINT DIDIER
Le Triomphe hermetique. Introduction et notes d'Eugene Canseliet, precedees du Mutus Liber
Editions Retz, Paris, 1971
***

MOLINIER Chevalier (Denis)
L'Alchimie de Flamel
Editions d'Art Savary, Carcasonne, 1989

PHILALETHE Eyrenee
L'Entree ouverte au palais ferme du Roi. Traductions, variantes et notes bibliographique
Editions Retz, Paris, 1976
***

PONTANUS Jean
Epitre du Feu Philosophique.
Guy Tredaniel, Paris, 1981
**

SANCELRIEN TOURANGEAU (pseudo.)
Clef du Grand OEuvre ou Lettres du Sancelrien Tourangeau
Editions Jobert, Paris, 1977
**

VALENTIN BASILE
Revelation des mysteres des teintures des sept metaux
Omnium Litteraire, Paris, 1976
**

------------------------------------------------------------
FIRST STEPS TOWARDS THE LABORATORY

ATORENE
Le laboratoire alchimique
Guy Tredaniel, Paris, 1981
****** :-)
This book SHOULD BE translated !!!

CAMACHO Jorge, ROGER Bernard, PARENT Mimi
Le Hibou Philosophe
A la Pierre d'Alun, Bruxelles, 1991
***
(Rare and beautifull book. Could be ordered from :
La Pierre D'alun a.s.b.l.,
81, rue de l'Hotel des Monnaies
B-1060 Bruxelles Belgium)

CANSELIET Eugene F.C.H.
L'Alchimie expliquee sur ses textes classiques
Jean-Jacques Pauvert, Paris, 1972
*****

MAVERIC Jean
L'Art Metallique des Anciens, ou l'Or Artificiel
PHOENIX, Genova (I), 1982 (Reprint)
**

MAVERIC Jean
La Medecine Hermetique des Plantes. L'extraction des quintessences par art spagyrique
Belisane, Nice, 1980 (Reprint)
**

PAGOT Jean
Le Caractere Philosophique. Le Laboratoire.
Auto-edited, Dampierre les Conflans, 1986
**** :-)
(This excellent but not expensive handbook can be ordered from the author :
Jean Pagot, F70800 Dampierre Les Conflans)

PHANEG (G.)
Cinquante Merveilleux Secrets d'Alchimie
Biblio. Chacornac, Paris, 1912
**

SOLAZAREF
L'Assation Philosophique en voie seche
Aux Amoureux de Science, Riom, 1985
****
Could be very usefull for the first steps on the Dry Path...

SOLAZAREF
Introitus ad Philosophorum Lapidem
Auteur, XX, 1984
***

SOLAZAREF
De Natura Vegetalorum. Volume 1. "Petites operations vegetales" 1ere partie
Editions Aux Amoureux de Sciences,Teilhede, 1992
*

SOLAZAREF
De Natura Vegetalorum. Volume 1."Petites operations vegetales" 2eme partie
Editions Aux Amoureux de Sciences,Teilhede, 1992
*

SOLAZAREF
De Natura Metallorum. Volume 1 "Petites operations minerales..." 1ere partie
Editions des Amoureux de Science,Teilhede, 1991
***

SOLAZAREF
De Natura Metallorum. Volume 1. "Petites operations minerales...", 2eme partie
Editions Aux Amoureux de Science,Teilhede, 1992
***

SOLAZAREF
De l'Esprit Universel, Volume 2. "Alkaest"
Editions Aux Amoureux de Science,Teilhede, 1990
**

SOLAZAREF
De l'Esprit Universel. Volume 1. "Vitriolum"
Editions Aux Amoureux de Science,Teilhede, 1990
**

SOLAZAREF
Ars Bevis. Volume 1. "Les Feux du Ciel"
Editions Aux Amoureux de Science,Teilhede, 1991
****

Note : I do NOT share Solazaref's political opinion but I do think he
did a VERY important work for the revival of Operative Alchemy.

ORA et LABORA !!

Sat May 11 13:47:37 1996
Subject: 0853 Circulatum

From: Gilbert Arnold
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:58:30 -0400

Does anyone else have a vegetable Circulatum "on the go" ?

Please contact me at arnoldg@em.agr.ca. I would like to compare notes
on phenomena that may be linked to astrological configurations.

Thank you,

Blessings,

+Gilbert

Sat May 11 13:47:55 1996
Subject: 0854 John Reid's book

From: Ismael Flores
Date: Fri, 10 May 96 09:07:35 EDT

Hi John,

I'm very interested in obtaining a copy of your book. Do you know
where I can get it? (in the USA)

Thank you for your attention

Ismael Flores

floresi1@westat.com


Sat May 11 13:48:09 1996
Subject: 0855 German publishers.

From: Douwe
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:43:56 +0200 (MET DST)

Does anyone know of any publisher in Germany that republishes (or has
republished) some of the different older works on alchemy???

If anyone would be able to help me out on this one then I would be very
thankful.

douwe.


Sat May 11 13:48:16 1996
Subject: 0856 Alchemy in the Netherlands.

From: Douwe
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:38:01 +0200 (MET DST)

I am wondering if anyone knows of any alchemical society or individuals
(from beginners to advanced)spending a lot of time on the subject, in the
Netherlands

Any idea or suggestion in this direction will be very much appreciated.

douwe.

Sat May 11 13:48:29 1996
Subject: 0857 photopro

From: Ros Bangham
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:43:44 -0400

In response to Petra'sTRUE REVELATION etc Wisa comments "...God is you. Not
as you are now but as you are becoming in fullfillment of your potential."

Consider: there is only - 'All There Is'. God, if that is the name you
like, and we must be part of that. Therefore, God is you = You are (a part
of) God.
"Fullfilling your potential" I think is the continuing act of creation; a
timeless process where we all are part of, and in turn take part in
limitless creation. The beauty of alchemy, for example is that it allows
one to be aware that the process itself is limited only by the alchemist.
That means to me, don't expect your answers, or permissions to come from
God! You have been chosen to have the ability to create, and with that
comes the responsibility to do it. (Please excuse the simplicity)

"...your True Identity" then as Wisa writes (if I may), is to know that you
are part of the actual mechanics of creation. What a great job!
Ros

Sat May 11 13:48:39 1996
Subject: 0858 Ether

From: Douwe
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:30:09 +0200 (MET DST)

All that is in your head that is in your ether, all which your desire comes
up with lives a life in your ether, all that penetrates your ether
penetrates your mind, all that is in your ether enters your desire-body
which in return will reflect it back to the ether again and visa-versa--->>

It is a flaming substance, with a consistency between ,slime, water, and
air, with any colour according to the image which lives in it.
It moves in many forms, all to their individual preferences and vibrations.

Ether is great stuff if you know how *Not* to use it, because only then you
will know how to use it in the proper way.

Ether is a lot like water..., (it also has great affinity with water, this
is why you feel better after you have taken a shower when you felt disdain
before,
The water takes a good amount of ether with itself and flushes it down the
drain (this is a good thing to know concerning the "preparation" of
Archaeus), this is even more so if there is a spray of water around some
object, and of course this is most so when it has been evaporated by heat
-this evaporated water will be able to dissolve and to take up the essential
ethers of some substance, this happens apart from the opening of pores,
which is essential in a different way-).

Ether has to get a chance to stand still... for as long as it moves it will
be like a storm, you can't start anything with it...
The storm is like the anger of the desires... if you calm the storm, then
the ether that surrounds you will become more translucid, and will be able
to reflect higher things.
Apart from this there is a rule that... the more ether that you use during
your daily actions the denser the kind of ether will be that you use.
The dense kind of ether causes spiritual darkness or blindness and physical
sorrows like cancer.
The less ether you use, the clearer it will be, and the clearer the ether
the more you will be able to direct it in a useful way...
Ether is like blood, it drains during certain actions when its surface has
been violated, killing you spiritually, here it is as if you where bleeding
to death...

Further... anything has affinity with a certain kind of ether... just like
that copper has affinity with venus, and silver to the moon... the link that
is made is trough links or paths of ether, which links them in a dual
direction, they have also different states of clarity of the ether... from
demonic to good...
But then still, it is only beyond this good and bad where the true
character, or soul of a substance can be found.... or in the center of the
place where the opposites become conjunct to their essential form... (Not
unlike Kether to Hokma and Bina-or even better, not unlike the dot above Kether)

--

If the ether will be clear and still, the Sun can shine its invisible beams
trough it and light it up in a Golden splendor, not unlike the Sun itself.

--

Preserve the Seed from the spillage of ether, because you will have to water
it with the right kind of dew...
There where bad circulates trough the ether to worse, there a spark
circulates to a Glorious Flame, and the flame to a Glorious Fire, which will
luminize the ether as a Light which will burn Hermetically for ever...

--

Any action that you do, will be filled with the ether that belongs to it, so
if you want to know what one of the ancients writers meant, then read
(see-feel-live in-) the ether as you read the book, and you will understand
the truest sense of what they meant...
Or if you want to understand what someone truly means then 'listen' to their
ethers and they will show you by their imagination.
What they gave off you may absorb... (where you decide only to absorb the
positive parts of their works, or to absorb from the good works -there is
also a good deal of works which should be avoided like this-)

--

I hope my brabbelings will be useful to someone...

douwe

Sat May 11 13:48:50 1996
Subject: 0859 French texts

From: John Obrien
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:26:43 -0500 (CDT)

In Re: the recent request for French language Alchemic texts and/or
commentaries.

I accessed the leonardo catalogue at the Linda Hall Library
of Science and Technology

telnet opac.lhl.lib.mo.us
#Linda Hall Library
http://www.lhl.lib.mo.us/

and found the following citations.

CAll# QD26.B38 1978 Title: Sainte Anne d'alchimie
ISBN 2857070276 Author: Guy Beatrice
Paris: Editions de La Maisnie (1978)
Series: Beatrice, Guy. Provence hermetique et tradition
Collection: "Les Symboles d'Hermes"

Call# QD26.H8 Title: L'alchimie
Author: Serge Hutin
Paris: Presses universitarires de France, 1951
Series: Que sais-je? no 506

Call# QD26.B42 1976 Title: Les Aventures du philosophe inconnu
en la recherche et l'invention de la pierre philosophale
(suivies de l' Apologie du grand oeuvre)
ISBN 2725601738 Author: Jean Albert Belin, ca 1610-1677
Sylvain Matton
Paris: (114 Av. des Champs d'elyses 75006) Retz. 1976
Series: Biblioteca hermetica


Call# QD26.P47 1982 Title: L'Aurore occidentale: libres
meditations sur le Lever de l'Aurore, accompagn.es de la
traduction de traite achimique attribue a St. Thomas d'Aquin
ISBN 2902707169 Author: Etienne Perrot
Paris: La Fontaine de pierre, 1982

CAll# QD25.B43 1976 Title: OEuvre chymique de Bernard Le TrOvisan
ISBN 2857070098 Author: Bernard of Trevisan
Paris: (G. TrOdaniel) [1976]

Call# QD25.J24 1983 Title: Dix traitOs d'alchimie : les dix
premiers traitOs de "Livre des Soixante-dix"
ISBN 2727400896 Author: (Works of Jabir ibn Hayyan)
Paris: editions Sindbad 1983
Series: Bibliotheque de l'Islam

Call# QD26.O27 1982 Title: Les dObuts de l'imagerie alchimique
XIVe-XVe si.cles
ISBN 2862621374 Author: Barbara Obrist
Paris: Le Sycomore c1982
Series: FOodalisme

(As you can see, some of the French characters I was not able to
replicate. Hope you can all interpolate them)

In addition, I found the following in Latin, seemingly of French
origin.


Call# Rare Book Room QD25.C63 1542
Title: De his que mundo mirabiliter eveniunt: vbi de sensuum
erroibus & potentils anime, ac de influentijs caelorum
Author: Claudius Coelestinus
Roger Bacon 1214?-1294 Opus majus ... Ex ms Codice
Dubliniensi
Oronce Fine 1494-1555 Quadratura circuli, tandem
inuenta & clarissimo demonstrata
Imprint: Lutetiae Parisiorum : apud Simonem Colinaeum 1542

P.S. The Fulcanelli text was also there.

For more information about obtaining these books try the http:
address above.
John

Sun May 12 14:15:05 1996
Subject: 0860 Modern Science and Prima Materia

From: Kenneth ┼strand
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 16:07:25 +0200

Dear participants of the Alchemy Forum.How do You do? I'm Kenneth Astrand
from Sweden, and this is my first letter to You. I have only recently
started my alchemical studies. If You mix in a flask one part chemical
engineer, two parts of Teacher of Religion and three parts of Philosopher,
then You got me a "newborn" alchemist?

My first comments will be to Jon Sharp's words about contemporary
philosophers (5/9/96, 0831), plus (particullary),at the same time, a
discussion on the concept of Prima Materia. Maybe following new
interpretation made by the hungarianborn swedish philosopher Stefan Hlatky,
on the philosophical signification of the theory of relativity, confirm the
alchemical concept of Prima Materia? What is Your reaction to the
following?:

The scientists has proved that our visible reality (the Universe) not is
built up of undestroyable particals as Democritos and Newton supposed.
Instead one has found that everything we can see is a projection of energy
in progress with similar threedimensional pictures as we have succeded to
construct and name hologram although with that important difference that the
holograms only can be seen, when the natural pictures (bodys) are
perceptible for all our senses.

This what the scientists have found, and as some philosophers before has
thought out, is philosophically seen the same insight as the statement that
the actors not exists on the TV-screen or that I myself not exists in the
mirror. To interpretate the discovery so that reality ultimatly is energy,
not to have in real meaning a material, remaining, existence is the same
conclusion that the actors or myself not exists other than as the changable
and disappearing energyplay which can be seen on the TV-screen or in the
mirror.

The discovery that the visible matter just is a form of energy is
epoch-making because it will logically solve the basic philosophic question
if reality is remaining or changeable. It was the lack of science founded on
facts which before forced founders of religion and philosophers to make
irrational and authoritative pronouncements formed as certain creation
narratives or pantheistic/atheistic theories of evolution. From the basis of
the theory of realtivity we can today solve the problem of the
contradiction: remaining or changeable reality. We must start thinking of
the word matter, which is the term for the state of affairs in reality and
accordingly the base for thinking founded on facts, in two quiet different
meanings.

One meaning thought of as the visible, manifest matter which create our
common picture of the appearence of reality (universe). In that meaning
matter is the base for our factual countings on the changeable, usually seen
as the movements and change of bodys, and scientifically thought about as
movements of particals. Concerning the meaning of this word matter we can
today be agreed of that we here have to do with apparent matter and a
apparent movement of matter, and that this reality looks destroyable and
changeable, because this visible matter is not real matter but energy,
wavemovement, vibration, wavemechanichs.

Significant for wavemovement is that it, different from material existence,
not can stand still, but must go on, propagate, always be on its way, as a
base for existence, just because it not has a material existence but only is
movement. Therefore wavemovement can start, exist for a while and then
disappear, "be nothing" and whenever again "be something". Wavemovement can
thus never be as only material existence can be: all the time exist
unchangeable, not start, not disappear; but be the same something, as just
is, which always exists independent from movement. So must matter in the
other, real, meaning be.

Movement (energy) is independent from existence, that it exists something
lasting which move, in contrast to existence which can last independent of
movement. Then it is logically necessary in the philosophical context, where
it is about to understand how we and the whole reality are from the ground,
to think matter in the real meaning as the unvisible lasting ground behind
all change and movement in the changeable picture. This philosophical
insight that reality as a whole must have a remaining existence means for
man that she not either can be the visible body but must have a remaining
identity as a part of the total reality. So must the real state of affairs
from the ground be a lasting relation between the whole and the parts in the
frame of a body. Logically is then to start from the fact that the whole
exists on the same basis as we can experience our life, thus consciously,
living. In defference from us as parts, the whole must however be concious
of itself in a real sense.

This means the same faith in God in the same meaning as Christ's concept
of
God, only with that difference that we today can think about God in a
totally realistic way.
*

I would be happy to hear Your comments, critics etc. on the above. Is what
is said above the same meaning but in modern words as the core of Alchemy?
Does Hlatkys philosophic interpretation on modern science expressed in the
theory of relativity and the old core of alchemic philosophy expressed in
the concept of an invisible prima materia converge in our century?

Here is another quite different question: Is it relevant to speak of, so to
say, an alchemical ethics? Does something like that exists? Behavior, acts?
Are there any guidelines?

Would be very happy to hear Your comments on that question, too. Or is the
question neither rhyme nor reason?

Have a nice day

Kenneth

E-mail to: kenneth.astrand@mail.nsb.norrkoping.se
(would be nice to hear from You!)


Sun May 12 14:15:15 1996
Subject: 0861 FRENCH: testamentaire de Solazaref -Reply

Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 13:09:59 -0400
From: Gilbert Arnold

Solazaref;

J'ai connu vos travaux par l'entremise de Camille Coudari au Canada; je
vous en remercie.

Gilbert Arnold , arnoldg@em.agr.ca


Sun May 12 14:15:25 1996
Subject: 0862 Alchemy in the Netherlands.

From: Jfruther
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 12:32:15 -0400

Please contact me directly:

jrfuther@aol.com

Thanks!


Sun May 12 14:15:35 1996
Subject: 0863 Ether

From: Barry Carter
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 14:36:59 +0000

Dear Douwe,

I would like to discuss some experiences with you regarding ether.
Send me a personal note if you are interested.

Barry Carter
Blue Mountain Native Forest Alliance
Voice 541-523-3357
Fax 541-523-9438

Sun May 12 14:15:43 1996
Subject: 0864 Thanks to John Reid

From: Michel Lefebvre
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 15:22:27 -0400

To John Reid,

Dear Sir,

After reading your course on plant alchemy, tears came to my eyes. Since
the death 8 years ago of Alexandre Lachance (he was a french alchemist in
Quebec who was working on cinnabar and who's best authors were Fulcanelli,
Valentin, Flamel and F.A.R.C. Roger Caro) my wife Carole and me were trying
to find a way in the plant kingdom which would ressemble the path we were
educated and beleived in.

We want to deeply thank you for sharing it and permitting the hard-worker
Adam McLean to put it on his website.If your book as ever been published, we
will like to find where we can purchase it.

At this moment, we have already strated to work on purifying the ashes of
oak to attract our philosophical Mercury. We decide to gear ourselves on the
Opus Minor that you have so nicely described. We will be please to keep you
informed on the developments and discuss it with you.

Sincerely,
Carole and Michel

maxime@abacom.com

Sun May 12 14:15:54 1996
Subject: 0865 Paracelsian University-Access

From: Alec Gathercole
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 17:55:01 GMT

The Paracelsian University will not be accessable via E-mail
from 26 May 1996 as Petra, our mechanical provider, will be on her extended
overseas trip.
Contact can be made via Snail mail or telephone only,
until further notice. Our address is :

49 Delbridge Street
North Fitzroy 3068
Victoria / Australia

Tel: 61-03-9481-8435

Alec


Mon May 13 14:35:16 1996
Subject: 0866 Dr. Junius's firm Australerba

From: Gilbert Arnold
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 15:20:31 -0400

For those of you who may be interested Dr. Junius's firm Australerba has a
homepage at ;

http://hna.ffh.vic.gov.au/sacfm/data/aerba.html

Blessings

+Gilbert


Mon May 13 14:35:33 1996
Subject: 0867 John Reids book

From: Pat Zalewski
Date: Mon, 13 May 96 07:16 NZST

Jon,

I have one or two people over here in New Zealand who have seen your work
on the alchemy home page and were wondering where and how much do you charge
for your book?. Your work is very impressive to say the least.

regards

Pat zalewski

Mon May 13 14:35:43 1996
Subject: 0868 20th century alchemist

From: Michel Lefebvre
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 22:04:48 -0400

Some weeks ago, Claude Gagnon propose the name of Alexandre Lachance as an
alchemist of the 20th century. As we knew him well for a couple of years we
want to give a short biography of this man. We are french speaking so we
hope you will understand our english. Thanks

Carole Champagne
Michel Lefebvre
Quebec
maxime@abacom.com

Mon May 13 14:35:54 1996
Subject: 0869 Regarding Occult Training

From: Alec Gathercole
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:33:12 GMT

Douwe wrote:
> May be it is a small thought but to my idea there is only one pure kind of
>occult training that is the accidental one.

It is pleasing to experience the exuberance of an active young mind. Within
this wisdom is the various nuances of experience. There are many incidents
which become accidents that are detrimental and retarding.
Make a comparison between one who buys a car then learns to steer and use
the accelerator and hits the road. He would be like an accident somewhere
going to happen. If he learnt the law, drove sedately in the slow lane, he
may witness many incidents and soon become street wise.
If one won an aeroplane and went solo first time using the flying manual he
may get into the air, blame his difficulties onto the manufacturer, he
could crash trying to land but could not complain!
Religion is similar. If we follow dogma and believe that what we are told,
is there guidance on how to apply reason to this?
If we first understand fundamental celestial mechanics, embrace the Torah
and its laws encapsulated in the QBL, the book Douwe speak of, the Christian
Bible may become the Book with Seven Seals that the Rosecrusians admire.
These people claim the keys to unlock all of the seals are hidden within the
QBL and are the fundamental laws of nature that the alchemist seeks.
Like drivers and pilots everyone is safer who undergoes tuition in the
beginning, can cruise in the slow lane and arrive safely at his destination,
return to base and help another journeyman on his way while he continues to
observe while journeying himself.
There are many false teachers to lead us astray but a conscientious pupil
will be discerning and be able to see his guide eye to eye. It is better to
be taught than to be caught.
We consider occult training the domain of false prophets who have evil
intent but there are also enough genuine teachers available for those who
deserve one.
When man stops to consider how insignificant each one of us is in the
overall scheme of things we will be more likely to try and learn to listen
to the music of the spheres than dance in accordance with the puppeteer's
wishes.
Harm cannot befall us if we are on the correct route. Our wandering into
unknown byways cause unfortunate incidents and we call them accidents.

TIMO. Let's know yours
Auris (Alec)

Mon May 13 14:36:05 1996
Subject: 0870 French-texts-to Joel

From: Mikhail Malt
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 09:16:33 +0100

Dear Joel,

Thank you very much!!!
I appreciated a lot your list
(desole par mon tres mauvais anglais!!)

Regards

mikhail

Mon May 13 21:54:54 1996
Subject: 0871 French texts

From: Mikhail Malt
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:02:12 +0100

Thank you, John for the typs for French language Alchemic texts and/or
commentaries.

mikhail

Mon May 13 21:55:02 1996
Subject: 0872 John Reid's book

From: John Reid
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:18:21 -0400

> From: Ismael Flores
> Hi John,
> I'm very interested in obtaining a copy of your book. Do you know
> where I can get it? (in the USA)
> Thank you for your attention
> Ismael Flores

At present the book is not avalable in print. You can see
most pf the book on Adams web page. I can also send a text
only copy to you via email if you like.

JHRIII

Mon May 13 21:55:11 1996
Subject: 0873 Thanks to John Reid

From: John Reid
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:22:37 -0400

> From: Michel Lefebvre
> Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 15:22:27 -0400
> To John Reid,
> Dear Sir,
>
> After reading your course on plant alchemy, tears came to my eyes. Since
> the death 8 years ago of Alexandre Lachance (he was a french alchemist in
> Quebec who was working on cinnabar and who's best authors were Fulcanelli,
> Valentin, Flamel and F.A.R.C. Roger Caro) my wife Carole and me were trying
> to find a way in the plant kingdom which would ressemble the path we were
> educated and beleived in.
> We want to deeply thank you for sharing it and permitting the hard-worker
> Adam McLean to put it on his website.If your book as ever been published, we
> will like to find where we can purchase it.
> At this moment, we have already strated to work on purifying the ashes of
> oak to attract our philosophical Mercury. We decide to gear ourselves on the
> Opus Minor that you have so nicely described. We will be please to keep you
> informed on the developments and discuss it with you.
>
> Sincerely,
> Carole and Michel

Carol and Michel

I would be very happy to hear of your progress and to offer
any assistance that I may give in your work. Please contact
me at aquaiel@panix.com

John Reid

Mon May 13 21:55:23 1996
Subject: 0874 Questions Answers

From: Clinton R. Armitage
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:15:41 -0400


Is it possible that the presumed early demise of some
alchemists resulted from acquiring our celestial water
other than during the nighttime hours ? Is anyone aware
of any information which might lead to such a
conclusion?

We are all aware of the dangers inherent in working with
chemicals -from vapor, absorption and ingestion- but, is
it possible that the circumstances surrounding the
acquisition of the celestial water could be such as to
create a composition so powerful as to poison the
alchemist? If so, would this have something to do with
an upset in the ph balance, a sudden reversal in
polarities or just what?

I!m questioning an earlier conclusion I had drawn and stated
on the Forum that the increased efficacy resulting from the
endless ciculations of the elixir acted as a poison if taken
in excess.

Any light that others can shed on this would be
appreciated.

Clinton Armitage
clintarm@yoda.fdt.net


Mon May 13 22:25:21 1996
Subject: 0875 20th century alchemist - Alexandre Lachance

From: Michel Lefebvre
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 22:04:48 -0400

Some weeks ago, Claude Gagnon propose the name of Alexandre Lachance as an
alchemist of the 20th century. As we knew him well for a couple of years we
want to give a short biography of this man. We are french speaking so we
hope you will understand our English. Thanks

Carole Champagne
Michel Lefebvre
Quebec
maxime@abacom.com

ALEXANDRE LACHANCE

Born on March 8th 1903 in Quebec city, Quebec, his mother was a descendant
of the Sioux tribe. While his grand father was in the importation of cognac
and armagnac, his father became a chemist in the brewing industry .
Alexandre made his classical studies in the Quebec Seminary. In 1926 he went
to Jacksonville, Florida, to follow a special course in psychology (mostly
experiments in parapsychology) with the Judge Troward.

Married in 1936, he had 10 children.
He worked as a teacher all his life. Teaching to the teenagers Latin, Greek,
English, chemistry and mathematics. He also worked as a cook at the Chateau
Frontenac in Quebec city.
He was first violin in the Symphony of Quebec, and also taught the violin.
Then he became director of a secondary school, the "Evangelique Institute".

Then, the war begin. Alexandre was a well educated man so he became
"correspondant of war" and staff sergent
In 1950, after the war, he founded the "Institut de psychologie appliquee".
He wrote a course of applied psychology and he was giving this course by
correspondance. It was to help in the re-education of war veterans.

BEGINNING IN ALCHEMY

He was very young at the Seminary when his Latin teacher asked him to translate
a part of the "Mysterium Magnum" of Jacob Boehme. That was it!
Alexandre began to read esoterical and alchemical texts. Also he had some
"paranormal" experiences (one during an operation under anesthesia) that
made him realise that there was more than the physical matter.
First he studied with AMORC, then with the "Fraternite rosicrucienne de
Max Heindel" in California. He was extensively influenced by Parcival, Powell, Leadbeater, Bracton. Then he went on to study Basile Valentin (his mentor, he said), Flamel, Cyliani, Philalethe, Le Trevisan, Maier. He often quoted Fulcanelli,
Canseliet (which whom he correspond some times) and Roger Caro.

In the laboratory, he worked with a man called Skelton in the 50's. In the
70's he worked with Camille Coudary and after that with a good friend of his
(anonyme). Alexandre was working on the cinnabar in the humid way in the
athanor, with dew salt and KOH.

In the 80's Alex gave dozens of conferences mostly in Montreal and Quebec
city. Some of them were on practical alchemy where he was talking a lot on
the preparation of the materia prima, how to collect the dew and get a salt
from it and how to prepare KOH.
Theoricaly, he was talking a lot about the three principles, salt, sulfur
and mercury and of the SECRET FIRE.

He was so pleased to talk of this FIRE that comes from within, the FIRE from
the sacrum, and of the great privilege to be two persons in the laboratory -
husband and wife -
so that they can communicate the bipolar energy to the matter.

Alexandre described so well the philosophy and the goal of alchemy that a
lot of people began their quest after meeting him.

Some other conferences were on differents subjects: kabbalah, astrology,
yoga, respiration, Upanishad, Avatars, philosophy, physics, chemistry,
Bible, Christ, Tesla, Steiner, history, Egypt, Tantra yoga, etc, etc. The
conferences organisors called him the "living encyclopedia". He had a
way to explain things and facts so that everybody understand but without
losing the "grandeur" and the magnificence of the subject.

He also taught in almost all of his conferences some respiratory
exercices so that people can see and feel their magnetic field and know that
they were more than a body.

Most of all of these conferences still exist on audio and video cassette,
all in French, of course. Also, CBC made a half-hour TV program on in (Man
Alive). The ONF made a small documentary and he made somme short apparitions
in different TV show. The magazine "7 Jours" in Montreal made a good article
on him and also VSD in France.

At the end of his life, Alexandre translated the monumental work of Howard
John Zitco of the Worl University Roundtable, Arizona: "The Lemurian
theo-christic Conception". He published in French (Fiat Lux ed.) this series
of 13 fascicules of about 85 pages each. He was giving a lot of time on
teaching and distributing this translation, giving conferences on it.

ALEXANDRE LACHANCE was a great "erudit". We can say for sure, that there
would be no alchemy in Quebec without him. He gave the opportunity to a lot
of us to begin on the path, having the certainty this was not an illusion.

Always kind, with a great sense of humour, talking about his "ALEXIR", he
left to everybody who saw him or knew him a sense of dignity of the human
race and a desire to go better and higher.

Alexandre died on november the 3rd 1987 at the respectable age of 84.

Tue May 14 08:14:52 1996
Subject: 0876 John Reid's book

From: calhhh
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:32:13 -0400

JoHn :

I add my congratulations to the several that I have seen regarding
your book, which I also would like to purchase as well. Please
post the information as to how we could buy it ... The excellent
presentation and clarity of thought is to be commended, but
above all your unselfish sharing of the material, which I am
sure will bear lots of well deserving fruits !

Regarding capillary studies, and the duplication of Lilly Kolisko
work, I recommended some time ago on this forum two books issued
by Borderland Sciences Research Foundation which I think that if
you have not read them, you may find very interesting :

1) METAL POWER - The Soul Life of the Planets by Alison Davidson
2) THE METAL - PLANET RELATIONSHIP - A Study of Celestial Influence
by Nick Kollerstrom

They deal directly with laboratory techniques that have been
duplicated by the authors and that among other things show the
definite influences of the planets. Data and photos are
extremely interesting.

I also recall very interesting commentaries regarding capillary
tests mentioned by an author by the name of Robert Ambelain, if
I remember correctly; I will look it up and post the pertinent
part in the near future.

I am also very much interested in the particularities of dew
and would like very much to ask your expert opinion on some
experiences/thoughts I have regardingly. I think that the field
of subtle energies has a lot of interrelations with alchemy and
its study is very useful when it comes to increasing and
concentrating the potency of any mixture. Forms, proportions,
colors, materials, positions, etc. are all part of the game.
At present a home page in spanish/portuguese is under construction
that will deal with both subjects. If possible, I would appreciate
tremendously if you could send me an email with your address so that
we could correspond.

Best Regards,

ORCIS
calhhh@mail.pananet.com

Tue May 14 08:15:01 1996
Subject: 0877 'Le Mutus Liber... parle' by Oscar UZCATEGUI

From: calhhh
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:49:54 -0400

Christian , Daniel Dumolard said :

>Recently, a mexican, Mr. Oscar Uzcategui, published this "Mutus" with a
>commentary, in Spanish, with this title "Habla el Mutus Liber".
>In 1982, a frenchman, Roger Nemoz, certainly Osca Uzcategui's disciple,=
made a
>French translation of this book, with this title "The Mutus Liber (Mute
>Book)... speaks". Living in Grenoble (south-east of France), he published
>with a printer of his town, Mr . Mancini, 400 copies of his book. The book
>was sold 85 Francs.
>Today R. Nemoz lives 100 km away.
>The book contains 100 pages, and is on a 30x22 centimetre size,
>At the 5th page, the title becomes :"the mute book of alchemy, disclosed by
>the Gnose".
>At the 9th page, Nemoz writes, as dedication : "To the glory of our holy
>gourou, Samael Aun Weor". This one was the Oscar Uzcategui's master. Oscar
>was "world instructor of the gnostic international association for the=
human
>research, whom center lives in Mexico".

I would be very interested to know if anyone could post the address where
Oscar Uzcategui could be contacted in Mexico. I am trying to get in contact
with alchemical spanish speaking authors, so as to set up a database of
participants for an alchemical forum in spanish that will be soon operating on the
cyberspace. Any help and/or contacts, will be appreciated ....

I have just returned from a trip to Brazil and was very happy to find
out that as it appears to be happening all around the world, sincere
interest for alchemy is blooming. I purchased a book called :

MUTUS LIBER - O Livro Mudo Da Alquimia
Ensaio Introdutorio, Comentarios e Notas
Written by Jose Jorge De Carvalho
Published in Sao Paulo, Brazil, 1995 by ATTAR EDITORIAL

With excellent quality reprints of both La Rochelle / Manget editions and
with
extensive commentaries of each plate, it makes references to all previously
better known reproductions / commentaries of the Mutus Liber including
references to the books of Canseliet (Pauvert,1967), Adam McLean (Phanes
Press, 1991), Johannes Fabricius (The Aquarian Press, 1989), Serge Hutin
(Editions Le Lien, 1966), Julio Peradejordi (Edicomunicaci=F3n, 1986),
Jean Laplace (Milao :Arche, 1979), Mino Gabriele (Milao: Arche, 1974),
Luis Miguel Martinez-Otero (Luis Carcamo Editores, 1986), etc. Its author
as per the inside cover information has a doctorate in anthropology and
is a professor of the University of Brasilia while currently working in
Rice University (Houston / U.S.A.).

I have not read the book yet, but going superficially over it, seems like
an interesting and positive contribution.

Best Regards,

ORCIS
calhhh@mail.pananet.com

Tue May 14 08:39:07 1996
Subject: 0878 The idea of the Philosophers Stone

I am posting this question on behalf of a colleague. - Adam McLean

I would like to know what you think is the best academic study on the idea of the
philosopher's stone, and the earliest explicit reference to the idea. Does
it come from Arabic?

Wed May 15 18:43:48 1996
Subject: 0879 Dew & Health

From: John E. Myers
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 8:35:00 EST5EDT

I came across a place on the web that claimed that the heavy water in water is a major
contributer to aging. I was just wondering if the heavy water was lost in the formation of
dew, or even steam distillation.

J.E.M. / "All things come to
myersj@gactr.uga.edu / he who waits."
alt.immortal / I have time. Q

Wed May 15 18:43:56 1996
Subject: 0880 John Reids book

From: John Reid
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 07:02:16 -0400

> Jon,
> I have one or two people over here in New Zealand who have seen your work
> on the alchemy home page and were wondering where and how much do you charge
> for your book?. Your work is very impressive to say the least.
> regards
> Pat zalewski

Pat

At present the book is only avaliable in a text only format
on computer disk, or email attachment.

John H. Reid III

Wed May 15 18:44:09 1996
Subject: 0881 Biblical References to Manna

From: Barry Carter
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:31:41 +0000

Dear Friends,

I am looking into the possibility that monoatomic gold (or the
alchemical white powder of gold) may be present as a gas in the
atmosphere. Much of the discussion of dew of late might lead to this
sort of conclusion. I have also read some speculations of physicists
that monoatomic gold may be quite happy as a gas. There are
references to manna in the Bible which seem to relate to dew as a
condensate which forms the manna. I have compiled all the
references to manna which I could find in the Bible with a word
search. These references include a couple of lines of context.

What kind of alchemical connection has been made to manna, the Ark of
the Covenant, the Grail or the pavement of the streets of heaven?
David Hudson speaks extensively of these connections. I am wondering
if he is all wet or if there is actually some connection to alchemy
here.

EXO 16:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

EXO 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak
unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be
filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God.

EXO 16:13 And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and
covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.

EXO 16:14 And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face
of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on
the ground.

EXO 16:15 And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another,
It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is
the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.

EXO 16:16 This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded, Gather of
it every man according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to
the number of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his
tents.

EXO 16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more,
some less.

EXO 16:18 And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much
had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every
man according to his eating.

EXO 16:19 And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.

EXO 16:20 Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of
them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses
was wroth with them.

EXO 16:21 And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his
eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.

EXO 16:22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice
as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the
congregation came and told Moses.

EXO 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said,
To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which
ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth
over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

EXO 16:24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did
not stink, neither was there any worm therein.

EXO 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto
the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.

EXO 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the
sabbath, in it there shall be none.

EXO 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on
the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.

EXO 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep
my commandments and my laws?

EXO 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he
giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his
place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

EXO 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

EXO 16:31 And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it
was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with
honey.

EXO 16:32 And Moses said, This is the thing which the LORD
commandeth, Fill an omer of it to be kept for your generations; that they
may see the bread wherewith I have fed you in the wilderness, when I
brought you forth from the land of Egypt.

EXO 16:33 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omer full
of manna therein, and lay it up before the LORD, to be kept for your
generations.

EXO 16:34 As the LORD commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before
the Testimony, to be kept.

EXO 16:35 And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they
came to a land inhabited; they did eat manna, until they came unto the
borders of the land of Canaan.

EXO 16:36 Now an omer is the tenth part of an ephah.

NUM 11:6 But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside
this manna, before our eyes.

NUM 11:7 And the manna was as coriander seed, and the colour thereof as
the colour of bdellium.

NUM 11:8 And the people went about, and gathered it, and ground it in
mills, or beat it in a mortar, and baked it in pans, and made cakes of it: and
the taste of it was as the taste of fresh oil.

NUM 11:9 And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna
fell upon it.

DEU 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God
led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove
thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his
commandments, or no.

DEU 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee
with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he
might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every
word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

DEU 8:4 Thy raiment waxed not old upon thee, neither did thy foot swell,
these forty years.

DEU 8:15 Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein
were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water;
who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;

DEU 8:16 Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers
knew not, that he might humble thee, and that he might prove thee, to do
thee good at thy latter end;

DEU 8:17 And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine
hand hath gotten me this wealth.

DEU 8:18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that
giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he
sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

JOS 5:10 And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the
passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.

JOS 5:11 And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after
the passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.

JOS 5:12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the
old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but
they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.
NEH 9:19 Yet thou in thy manifold mercies forsookest them not in the
wilderness: the pillar of the cloud departed not from them by day, to lead
them in the way; neither the pillar of fire by night, to shew them light, and
the way wherein they should go.

NEH 9:20 Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, and
withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their
thirst.

NEH 9:21 Yea, forty years didst thou sustain them in the wilderness, so that
they lacked nothing; their clothes waxed not old, and their feet swelled not.

PSA 78:21 Therefore the LORD heard this, and was wroth: so a fire was
kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel;

PSA 78:22 Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his
salvation:

PSA 78:23 Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened
the doors of heaven,

PSA 78:24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given
them of the corn of heaven.

PSA 78:25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.

PSA 78:26 He caused an east wind to blow in the heaven: and by his power
he brought in the south wind.

PSA 78:27 He rained flesh also upon them as dust, and feathered fowls like
as the sand of the sea:

PSA 78:28 And he let it fall in the midst of their camp, round about their
habitations.
JOH 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that
ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

JOH 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that
we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

JOH 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave
them bread from heaven to eat.

JOH 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses
gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true
bread from heaven.

JOH 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and
giveth life unto the world.

JOH 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

JOH 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh
to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

JOH 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

JOH 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that
cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

JOH 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the
will of him that sent me.

JOH 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which
he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last
day.

JOH 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which
seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will
raise him up at the last day.

JOH 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread
which came down from heaven.

JOH 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father
and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from
heaven?

JOH 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among
yourselves.

JOH 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me
draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

JOH 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God.
Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh
unto me.

JOH 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God,
he hath seen the Father.

JOH 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath
everlasting life.

JOH 6:48 I am that bread of life.

JOH 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

JOH 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man
may eat thereof, and not die.

JOH 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man
eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my
flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

JOH 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can
this man give us his flesh to eat?

JOH 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except
ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in
you.

JOH 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

JOH 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

JOH 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me,
and I in him.

JOH 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he
that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

JOH 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your
fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for
ever.

JOH 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in
Capernaum.

HEB 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the
candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

HEB 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the
Holiest of all;

HEB 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid
round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and
Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

HEB 9:5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of
which we cannot now speak particularly.

REV 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the
churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and
will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no
man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

REV 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was
pure gold, like unto clear glass.

REV 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with
all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second,
sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

REV 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte;
the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a
jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

REV 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was
of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent
glass.

Barry Carter
Blue Mountain Native Forest Alliance
Voice 541-523-3357
Fax 541-523-9438

Wed May 15 18:44:19 1996
Subject: 0882 Fabricius Alchemy - Good Deal

From: GrandpaE
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:12:48 -0400

We ordered and received the Fabtricius Alchemy book and consider it to be a
good buy @ the $9.95 plus $3.00 Handling (Edward R. Hamilton Bookseller,
Falls Village Ct 09031-5000).

The typography of the text is very legible and the quality of the
illustrations is very good. The ones originally in color are quite well
reproduced in black and white. The illustrations are from quite a variety of
sources and it is interesting to see the way current illustrations are
included with ones prepared by the old timers.

We have not read the entire text but would be surprised if it is any less
obscure than the writings of the medieval alchemists. The value of such a
publication really comes from the reader's intrepretation of the allegorical
illustrations.

One of the basic alchemical precepts is that the stone must be formed within
concurrently with the physical laboratory manipulations and completed before
the external work is successful. Traditionally most alchemy writings deal
with the physical operations and are incomplete and in places misleading so
the student must pick and choose the important parts from the various
treatises and assemble them into a practical process. The Jungian
theories deal with the internal processes and perhaps give practical hints
about how to coordinate these with the laboratory manipulations. Based upon
the historical tradition of secrecy and anonymity, Jung may or not have
experimented with physical laboratory manipulations.

Thanks for the recommendation of this publication.

grandpae@aol.com

Wed May 15 18:44:28 1996
Subject: 0883 Re: 0857 photopro

From: Sunshine Schmidt
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:14:59 -0700

> From: Ros Bangham
> Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:43:44 -0400
>
> In response to Petra'sTRUE REVELATION etc Wisa comments "...God is you. Not
> as you are now but as you are becoming in fullfillment of your potentia"
> Consider: there is only - 'All There Is'. God, if that is the name you
> like, and we must be part of that. Therefore, God is you = You are (a part
> of) God.
> "Fullfilling your potential" I think is the continuing act of creation; a
> timeless process where we all are part of, and in turn take part in
> limitless creation. The beauty of alchemy, for example is that it allows
> one to be aware that the process itself is limited only by the alchemist.
> That means to me, don't expect your answers, or permissions to come from
> God! You have been chosen to have the ability to create, and with that
> comes the responsibility to do it. (Please excuse the simplicity)
>
> "...your True Identity" then as Wisa writes (if I may), is to know that you
> are part of the actual mechanics of creation. What a great job!
> Ros

I completely agree. You have no idea how long I have felt this way, but
no one I try to explain it to understands.

Thank you.

Wed May 15 18:44:40 1996
Subject: 0884 Dew and Alchemy

From: JoelTetard
Mon, 13 May 1996 12:00:30 +0000

Dear John

Many thanks for your kind suggestion.

I am very interested in your works on plant alchemy and water although I
am mainly targeted to the Mineral Kingdom. I read your Course on Plant
Alchemy with the greatest interest and I'll try to work as you
suggested.

Actually, I did very a few works on mineral alchemy and spagyry.
Obviously the Paris area is not the best choice for working on such a
matter...

However, with some of my firends I did some very basic experiences
concerning First Work of the Dry Path of antimony ( but not "Assation"
which needs great deal of dew !).

I worked on herbal tinctures too but only with commercial alcool.

Two years ago I tried again to collect dew with a "dew trap" of my own.
I made a strange and rather funny apparatus with 2 square meters of
golden milar film (which was supposed to act as an infra-red mirror in
order to reduce the local temperature), mosquito net (supposed to
produce coalescence of dew drops), funnel, pipe and a large
plastic container. In fact this apparatus acted as an excellent
pluviometer : weather was too bad and I collected 10 litres of pure rain
water ... (I'll use it for washing melting salts ).

Very recently, I want to the centre of France but due to bad wather
conditions I failed again to obtain the precious liquid.

As a result of these problems I did only some "desk researches" about
dew. I found very few scientific papers about this question. Most
of works are in fact targeted to the acid rain problem.

I send you some information concerning analysis of rains in France. I
add to this information some data on ammonium nitrate. As you know
this salt is present in storm rain water and dew. I guess this salt
which is very similar to saltpetre would have a very important place in
the Dry Path. What do you thing about it?

I did not hear about Capillary Dynamolysis. I guess it would be linked to
viscosity, density and surface tensions of liquids. Right ?

In this case, I think you'll be interested by Jacques Faure's works on
surface tension of dew. These results were published in the first
"almanach des amoureux de Science" edited by Solazaref's group.

I did my best to summarise this long text. Please, excuse me for my poor
English !

As you know surface tension of a liquid is the force per unit of length
which is necessary in order to extend the free surface of the liquid.
Using the CGS International System units this tension is measured in
dynes per cm.

Tension value is given by a torsion balance which measures the strength
necessary for extracting a ring or a blade from a liquid.

Jacques Faure assumed the surface tension would change with the "state
of mind" of the liquid : according to him "celestial" liquids (i.e. the
dew, for instance) would have a weaker cohesion than "terrestrial" ones
and their surface tensions would be lower.

The 10th of June 1973, while moon was in its first quarter, he collected
about one litre of dew. Surface tension was 43 dynes/cm (to compare
with rain water tension which was about 75 dynes/cm).

The next day, 0,3 litre of dew was collected. Tension was 50 dynes/cm.

The amount of dew collected the 10th of June was split in two parts:
- the first one was stored in the fridge. 5 days later, S.T. was 59-60.
This part was exposed to the rays of the moon. Measuring the ST, Faure found
51/52 at 9 AM and 58/59 at 4 PM.
- the second part was kept in the dark. 5 days later, Faure found a TS of
52/63.

Early in the morning of the 17th of June he collected again some dew.
This amount was split in two parts :
- on the morning of the 18th June, TS of the first part was found to be 64.
- the second part was exposed to moon light during the following
night. On the morning of 18th June, TS was 58.

Faure noted that the temoin rain water ST did not change after moon
exposure and was still at 75 dynes/cm.

In 1974, Faure worked with distilled dew. Exposing this liquid to the
moon during the night of 1st of May, he found ST was 54 in the morning.
This value changed to 60 after 6 hours of exposure to a moderate light
("lumiere diffuse" in the French text). Seven days later, the ST was 73.

Added with saltpetre, distilled dew reacted in the same way : ST was
found to be 72 before to be exposed to the moonlight during the 8th
may night. On 9th morning, ST was 64 dynes/cm.

Faure founded no change with dew, distilled dew and the remaining liquid
when exposed to a decreasing moon.

As a conclusion to his works Jacques Faure guessed it would be possible
to increase the strength of dew with a exposure to the moon light. Dew
would be keep in a dark and cool place and in a airtight vessel.

From these data Jacques Faure assumed it would be possible to imagine a
way for the treatment of melting salts using in the mineral works.

[Note from Joel : I guess it would be possible to work in the same way
with the vegetable kingdom...]

Well I hope I did not too much mistakes in summaring this text !

In a future message I'll send a copy of a paper I wrote for the French
"Tourbe des Philosophes". It summarised information on Hydrogen Peroxide
H2O2 which seems to explain some of dew properties ("Clothes burning",
for instance).

I'll be very interested if you can provide more information about your
own researches in Capillary Dynamolysis.

Best regards.

Joel Tetard

Snail adress :
20 rue de la Liberation
F92500 Rueil-Malmaison
Tel and Fax : +33 (01) 47 49 53 09

________________________________________________________________________
RAIN WATER QUALITY IN FRANCE

Source : "Programme MERA, mesure des retombees Atmospheriques", Ecole
des Mines de Douai, June 1991.

Main characteristics of MERA Network :

Station Ní Alt. Collecte Lat. Long.
Mont Aigoual 1 1544 m daily 44,07 N 3,34 E
Le Casset 2 1750 m weekly 44,59 N 6,31 E
Donon 3 775 m weekly 48,30 N 7,08 E
Bonnevaux 4 836 m daily 46,49 N 6,11 E
Iraty 5 1300 m daily 43,02 N 1,05 W
Morvan 6 620 m daily 47,16 N 4,05 E
Revin 7 390 m twice a week 49,54 N 4,38 N
La Crouzille 9 n.a. daily 49,26 N 0,41 E
La Hague 10 133 m daily 49,37 N 1,50 W

Average rates of chemicals in rain water during 1990 (in MG/L) :

PH NO3 SO4 Cl- Na+ NH4 K+ Mg+ Ca+
Aig 5,85 0,67 1,23 0,66 0,32 2,02 0,04 0,15 1,14
Cas 5,74 0,33 0,64 0,18 0,29 0,87 0,05 0,08 0,60
Don 5,36 0,63 0,86 0,69 0,35 1,18 0,15 0,10 0,51
Bon 5,63 0,53 0,85 0,73 0,38 1,70 0,06 0,10 0,91
Ira 5,69 0,50 1,04 1,02 0,62 1,49 0,08 0,15 1,03
Morv 6,07 0,50 0,78 1,28 0,64 1,87 0,13 0,24 0,85
Rev 5,50 0,56 1,04 1,51 0,78 1,47 0,03 0,12 0,49
Bro 5,90 0,39 1,06 4,36 2,39 1,54 0,13 0,34 0,58
Cro 5,98 0,36 0,72 1,76 0,95 1,17 0,12 0,15 0,53
Hag 5,94 0,74 2,82 40,20 22,88 1,21 1,16 2,63 1,30

Note from Joel Tetard : La Hague is a Nuke plant located on the Channel
seashore. High rates of Na+ Cl- are due to the wind blowing sea water.
But what about plutonium ?...

________________________________________________________________________
Information about Ammonium Nitrate

Solubility of ammonium nitrate :

Temperature Solubility of NH4NO3(g)
(in °C) in 100 g of water
0 118
10 150
20 187
30 232
40 297
50 346
60 410
70 499
80 576
90 740
100 843

Vapor pressure of ammonium nitrate solutions :

Temperature (in °C) Vapor pressure
Water Saturated solution
10 1,2 0,85
20 2,3 1,5
30 4,2 2,5
40 7,4 3,9

Boiling points of ammonium nitrate solutions

NH4NO3 (in %) Boiling points (°C)

10 101
20 102,5
30 104
40 107,5
50 109,5
60 113,5
70 119,5
80 128,5
85 136
90 147
95 170
96 180

Densities of ammonium nitrate solution at 20 °C :

NH4NO3 (in %) Density

2 1,006
4 1,015
6 1,023
8 1,032
10 1,039
15 1,060
20 1,083
25 1,109
30 1,128
35 1,151

Heat capacities of ammonium nitrate solutions :

NH4NO3 Heat capacity
(in %) J/mol J/g

2,9 320,8 4,038
9,1 309,6 3,870
15,1 294,4 3,678
28,6 241,6 3,021
47,1 233,6 2,916
64 204,0 2,552

Crystallisation shapes of ammonium nitrate :

Name Temperature range(°C) Crystallisation shape
Alpha above -18 tetragonal
Beta from -18 to 32,1 rhombic
Gamma from 32,1 to 84,2 rhombic
Delta from 84,2 to 125,2 teragonal
Gamma from 125,2 to 169,6 cubic
Liquid over 169,6 -


Wed May 15 18:44:48 1996
Subject: 0885 Dew and alchemy

From: Joel Tetard
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:33:46 +0000

Dear Rawn

Many thanks for your information which looks not so irrelevant !

I did not hear about symbolism of water before I joined the alchemical
forum.

Your mail was a good opportunity for me to inlarge my state of mind :
due to my "rational" or neo-scientifical approach of alchemy I forgot
many other sides of this art.

Best regards.

Joel

Wed May 15 18:44:58 1996
Subject: 0886 On Occult Training

From: Alec Gathercole
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 21:03:27 GMT

In post 0825 I objected to the Grail Message blanketing occult teachings as
inadvisable in its prelude of "Is Occult Training Advisable" when answering
its own question. My intention was to separate out some activities which IMO
create the difficulties which the message highlights.
There are procedures in some cults which call themselves "occult groups",
that I am aware of, where practices are not far short of menticide and
brainwashing. They use artefacts and stimulants that discredit our work.
They use the same nomenclature as we have and leave their on our more
genuine and humane activities. There are many who have been adversely
affected by these groups if unequipped to withstand the suggestive
instructions received when their procedures are used. If the message had
highlighted the orthodox and soul purifying occult techniques I would not
have attempted to define occultism for it is a difficult task to document
information where so many differing connotations are placed on specific words.

I personally prefer to use the word esoteric and maintain the occult value
in that manner any resultant suggestion of teaching, confusing or individual
assault was unintentional but probably obligatory by commenting on an
obtuse forum as ours is. Having said all of that may I now offer a further
statement to clarify my opinion on the matter under consideration.

Each and everyone of us who choose to push for evolution must select a
specific method to follow for mundane lifestyles are impotent. To choose the
correct one for us involves looking at alternatives. This is generally being
done by all and we may yet look at others. Some methods are not as good as
others in intent and could be considered despotic or even evil. Whatever our
choice is, energy is needed to perform or work and that energy we attract is
called by some Libido. In Sanskrit it is called Kundalini.

Libido is our life force and vitality which maintains both our kinetic and
mental functions. This our body is supposed to produce in excess of its
physical needs, so that the real purpose of our existence on this plane, to
mentally strengthen ourselves, that is, to consciously evolve.

The physical body is unlikely to lose the use of its common senses, such as
sight for instance, by excessive animalist activities. If necessary it would
save itself by becoming impotent.

Libido is essential though for the awakening of those higher senses as
clairinstinctus, clairscientia, clairvoyancia, and clairaudientia the
equations to which is intuition, reason, understanding, and wisdom as
outlined in QBL academia. These were the items referred to in defining
occult activities. These can be encountered temporarily by stimulants, but
are not usually retainable as personal possessions when gained by this
artificial stimulation. These experiences are usually followed by depression.

When we direct our attention to consciousness/conscience/soul/mind/ psyche
using our own libido extra sensory capacities can be attained and
maintained, but the personal libido is essential for this purpose. It must
be encouraged to flow upwards to the higher centres (chakras). The task of
gaining purity of mind/mentality is a herculean one toward which only a few
will direct the effort required to totally succeed.

Attraction to worldly activities that deplete our libido make many failures,
for without the capacity to study alchemy in its broadest science the higher
mind development does not happen. Systematic procedures brought forward from
former times are still effective to this day and will be valid in the future.

We are dependent on Divine Grace for the privilege of enlightenment. This
source, in my understanding, will not grant divine consciousness to anyone
who is only playing around. If we are blinded, it is to these higher senses
which we must rely on for us to become humane and then eventually cosmic
conscious.

In the meantime we neophytes to Alchemy struggle along hopefully purifying
ourselves both mentally and physically with the aid of spagyrics taking our
stand against autisticism and temptation. We must bear our own burden as we
do the best we can with what we have available to us now.

Cosmic law is immutable, it has not ever changed. As in former times the
laws are not even known by many, let alone being understood. There is the
multitude who either ignore their responsibility, try to break the system by
short cutting or start too near the finish. Too many continually look at
books without ever taking a good look at themselves when searching for
answers. "By our deeds shall we be known".

Also many have said before "A man convinced against his will remains of the
same opinion still" no matter how impossible it has been to succeed in the
manner being pursued at present. It is said when understood the divine way
is as easily accomplished as for a mother breast feeding a new borne babe,
and as simple as for a child to learn to skip, yet we become so short fused
in our frustration that opinions expressed by other which may interfere with
or own containment, receive little courtesy or encouragement.

May I conclude this contribution by saying I have enjoyed the past 3 months
reading your various postings on the forum, the private mail received and
the stimulation gained. Since Petra, who has been my access medium, is
leaving soon for an extended trip overseas, and as I do not have my own
facility, I will miss your contact for now. I say thank you to Adam for his
dedicated work at the web site.

If anyone should wish to communicate with me on any matter the Paracelsian
University address of

49 Delbridge Street, North Fitzroy 3068, Victoria/Australia
Phone 61-3-9481-8435

will reach me personally, and I would be pleased to hear from you privately
by snail mail.

Grace and peace
Auris (Alec)

Thu May 16 09:41:50 1996
Subject: 0887 Dew & Health

From: Michael Hyson
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 22:41:32 -0400 (EDT)

Re" Heavy water and ageing
I have zero knowledge of the effect of heavy water on ageing.
The heavy water will electrolyze and evaporate more slowly because
it is heavier. Therefore, salt lakes and the oceans have higher
concentration of heavy water.
Distilation should cause the light water to come over first.
Ordinary tap water has about 1 part in 2000 of D2O

Hope this helps.
Aloha
Michael Hyson

Thu May 16 09:42:00 1996
Subject: 0888 John Reids book

From: tim scott
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 16:11:35 -0700

> At present the book is only avaliable in a text only format
> on computer disk, or email attachment.

Dear John: Add me to one of the admiring readers. I would also be
grateful if I could get a complete copy. It appears that about half
of it is available on Adam's Web site:

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/JohnReid.html

Is that intentional? Will the rest of it be eventually made
available there?

Best regards,
Tim Scott

Thu May 16 09:42:10 1996
Subject: 0889 On Occult Training

From: George Randall Leake III
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 16:57:46 -0500

>From: Alec Gathercole
>Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 21:03:27 GMT
>In post 0825 I objected to the Grail Message blanketing occult teachings as
>inadvisable in its prelude of "Is Occult Training Advisable" when answering
>its own question. My intention was to separate out some activities which IMO
>create the difficulties which the message highlights.

*a little more specificity might help...what does the grail have to do with
Occult Training in this case, and how do you define occult, and what are
the implications to alchemy?

>There are procedures in some cults which call themselves "occult groups",

*again, perhaps more specificity is needed? Many groups are called "occult
groups" from the outside. Same with cult groups. One needs to examine each
case carefully rather than make blanket generalizations. Some people I know
call the MLA (Modern Language Association) a cult, for instance.

>that I am aware of, where practices are not far short of menticide and
>brainwashing.

*Again this sounds a bit off. Knowing which groups and techniques you speak
of might help. Otherwise, you are arguing in a vacuum. I'm not even sure
what you mean by menticide and brainwashing. Does it have anything to do
with fluoride in the water?

They use artefacts and stimulants that discredit our work.

*who is this *they*? Which stimulants and artefacts? How and why do they
discredit? And whose work is it and what work are we speaking of?

>They use the same nomenclature as we have and leave their on our more
>genuine and humane activities.

*say again? Your english is a bit ill-constructed. Aside from that, all
this is rambling against windmills in the dark.

> There are many who have been adversely
>affected by these groups if unequipped to withstand the suggestive
>instructions received when their procedures are used. If the message had
>highlighted the orthodox and soul purifying occult techniques I would not
>have attempted to define occultism for it is a difficult task to document
>information where so many differing connotations are placed on specific words.

*so much for commenting on your details. Go back to your original premise;
it has rendered argument which ties in knots and blindfolds the regarder.

>I personally prefer to use the word esoteric and maintain the occult value
>in that manner any resultant suggestion of teaching, confusing or individual
>assault was unintentional but probably obligatory by commenting on an
>obtuse forum as ours is. Having said all of that may I now offer a further
>statement to clarify my opinion on the matter under consideration.

*what the...? In simpler terms you are stating your preference for the term
esoteric over occult. Its your argument, over groups and concepts you have
not chosen to share with us, so far be it for me to piddle over your choice
of adjective

>Each and everyone of us who choose to push for evolution must select a
>specific method to follow for mundane lifestyles are impotent. To choose the
>correct one for us involves looking at alternatives. This is generally being
>done by all and we may yet look at others. Some methods are not as good as
>others in intent and could be considered despotic or even evil. Whatever our
>choice is, energy is needed to perform or work and that energy we attract is
>called by some Libido. In Sanskrit it is called Kundalini.
>Libido is our life force and vitality which maintains both our kinetic and
>mental functions. This our body is supposed to produce in excess of its
>physical needs, so that the real purpose of our existence on this plane, to
>mentally strengthen ourselves, that is, to consciously evolve.
>The physical body is unlikely to lose the use of its common senses, such as
>sight for instance, by excessive animalist activities. If necessary it would
>save itself by becoming impotent.

*this sounds a bit like an info-mmercial for Kundalini...why you didn't
start out with that premise beats me...

>Libido is essential though for the awakening of those higher senses as
>clairinstinctus, clairscientia, clairvoyancia, and clairaudientia the
>equations to which is intuition, reason, understanding, and wisdom as
>outlined in QBL academia.

*"QBL academia"?! What's that? And what assumptions are you making about
connecting these "higher senses" with the kabbalah(which I guess you mean
with the fragment QBL)?

>When we direct our attention to consciousness/conscience/soul/mind/ psyche
>using our own libido extra sensory capacities can be attained and
>maintained, but the personal libido is essential for this purpose. It must
>be encouraged to flow upwards to the higher centres (chakras). The task of
>gaining purity of mind/mentality is a herculean one toward which only a few
>will direct the effort required to totally succeed.

*this is hardly self-evident--citations or reasoning please!

>Attraction to worldly activities that deplete our libido make many failures,
>for without the capacity to study alchemy in its broadest science the higher
>mind development does not happen.

*again! Where do you come off making these unsupported declarations?

Systematic procedures brought forward from
>former times are still effective to this day and will be valid in the future.

*like what? Like methods you consider "menticide"?

>We are dependent on Divine Grace for the privilege of enlightenment.

*definitions please

This
>source, in my understanding, will not grant divine consciousness to anyone
>who is only playing around. If we are blinded, it is to these higher senses
>which we must rely on for us to become humane and then eventually cosmic
>conscious.

*and I thought Eliphas Levi was weak...

>In the meantime we neophytes to Alchemy struggle along hopefully purifying
>ourselves both mentally and physically with the aid of spagyrics taking our
>stand against autisticism and temptation. We must bear our own burden as we
>do the best we can with what we have available to us now.

*"to dream/the impossible dream"

>Cosmic law is immutable, it has not ever changed. As in former times the
>laws are not even known by many, let alone being understood. There is the
>multitude who either ignore their responsibility, try to break the system by
>short cutting or start too near the finish. Too many continually look at
>books without ever taking a good look at themselves when searching for
>answers. "By our deeds shall we be known".

*ok. Here's one paragraph that makes some sense. Being a little more
specific might help. For all I know you might be talking Dianetics.

>Also many have said before "A man convinced against his will remains of the
>same opinion still" no matter how impossible it has been to succeed in the
>manner being pursued at present. It is said when understood the divine way
>is as easily accomplished as for a mother breast feeding a new borne babe,
>and as simple as for a child to learn to skip, yet we become so short fused
>in our frustration that opinions expressed by other which may interfere with
>or own containment, receive little courtesy or encouragement.

*frustration at least on my part comes from the fact that you express
yourself in such vague terms.

-G.Leake, 512-471-9117 taliesin@mail.utexas.edu

"To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a
child."
-Cicero
"Oh age! oh letters! It is a joy to be alive!...Woe to you, barbarians!"
-Ulrich von Hutten, 1518, Poet Laureate of the German Empire

Thu May 16 09:42:20 1996
Subject: 0890 Attraction to worldly activities that deplete our libido

Date: Wed, 15 May 96 18:30:04 -0000
From: photopro

A comment about repression only related to a thought that came up as I
was reading this one sentence.

>Attraction to worldly activities that deplete our libido

You can not really give up your desires ( different from that One-Pointed
Desire) until you are ready. To repress them hurts the body greatly ( not
talking about great anti-social destructive to the greater society
desires which must be sublimated). When you advance, the transformation
will be great enough at a certain point for your attraction and
subjection to that desire to "fall away". Then you don't give up
anything, it loses its pull! It has been replaced by Universal Value
system which is what prevails and your force is put into first: The
Creative Arts ( Works of Art) and then: reverses to become simple i.e-
The Fool Tarot Card 0.

Wisa

"All there is, is Love."
"Truth is the order of the Universe"
Photopro@mint.net
Wisa

Thu May 16 09:42:30 1996
Subject: 0891 Grail Message?

Date: Wed, 15 May 96 17:34:03 -0000
From: photopro

Everyone(many)quotes and refers to The Grail Message. What is it? Who
wrote it? When? How did so many participants use this special reference
material??? How, when, what , why?
Please inform me of this material. Thank you all.
Wisa

"All there is, is Love."
"Truth is the order of the Universe"
Photopro@mint.net
Wisa

Thu May 16 09:42:40 1996
Subject: 0892 Communion With Higher Self Rewards

Date: Wed, 15 May 96 18:07:13 -0000
From: photopro

So many forum participants talk about what they want to do (will), what
they intellectually should do, what they as a human being should do to
direct their life. I do not hear too much talk of meditative communion
which is a state of balanced receptivity to THE WILL (Thy Will be Done).
There are times, most important, of communion with the Higher Self and it
is then that the next step is revealed or some indication of the
direction of Purpose is awakened. We are striving for transcendence and
therefore must be trans-human in our processing toward Divineness. This
is hard to state and can not be realized by one who does not experience
this state. Yet, it is available to all. Somewhere one must start.

I speak of Meditation which is more than the most well known type done as
a vegetative state (which is a refreshing exercise to do). I talk of
receiving in a balanced state, where one marks down or sets a theme,
question, parcel of time, problem, principle of truth to examine in that
state of receptivity. You may not get it as you wish but that establishes
your intention to go high on the Tree for your "communion" (Voice of the
Silence). You are looking for the Inner School (Sphere 4 Mercy) To be
your teacher. The White Brotherhood is another name for The Inner School.

Alchemists working from this state might find miracles happening. Might
find answers appearing in strange "co-incidental" ways. Nothing is
seperate. Develop all you are and your work will proceed well. Even
mistakes, failures will lead to another doorway of success. It is
inevitable. Change yourself and your view, perspective, material
environment will change also. Then we shall not talk of vitality which
is human but of Great Strength which is Immortal!

Meantime we climb the mountain and live on this plane and try, try again
but knowledge is very helpful and foundational towards attainment of our
greatest desire "Reunion." All the mystery teachings are screaming out
the simple message. Everything is about and is You yourself! Read with
this in mind and see and hear.

LUX

Wisa I believe this with all my heart.

"All there is, is Love."
"Truth is the order of the Universe"
Photopro@mint.net
Wisa

Thu May 16 09:42:50 1996
Subject: 0893 Kundalini

Date: Wed, 15 May 96 18:14:23 -0000
From: photopro

Kundalini comes up in you as you process and are ready for it. Never
invoke it just as you do not envoke the Pentagram of Spirit. Accept the
Blessings as they are bestowed upon you as a deserving worker of the
Path. Do not rush what you may not be ready for. Indeed you may not be
able to contain the force that comes up under such circumstances. Give
gratitude for what you have and you may ask but not demand or invoke the
above without possible repercussions which may include fatality.
This I have been taught and taken on as my own Truth. I share it with
you. Take it or leave it as you will.
LUX
Wisa

"All there is, is Love."
"Truth is the order of the Universe"
Photopro@mint.net
Wisa

Fri May 17 09:24:55 1996
Subject: 0894 Heavy water

From: Patrick J. Smith
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:58:39 -0600

> From: John E. Myers
> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 8:35:00 EST5EDT
> I came across a place on the web that claimed that the heavy water in
> water is a major contributer to aging. I was just wondering if the
> heavy water was lost in the formation of dew, or even steam
> distillation.

Heavy water can indeed be separated from light water by repeated
distillation and fractionation. But heavy water occurs in ordinary
water in only one part in 6000, and its physical properties are only
slightly different from light water. So it seems unlikely that a
single distillation step, or the formation of dew, will cause a
large change in the concentration of heavy water.

I've heard this claim before---that the concentration of heavy water
in living tissues contributes to aging. In fact, diluted heavy water
does stunt the growth of plants and is toxic to animals down to a
certain concentration (though it's not too bad at 1 part per 6000).
The problem is that life adapted itself to water as we find it in
nature, and since so many different, interdependent, biochemical
processes depend on water, even subtle changes in its properties will
cause deleterious effects. This implies, incidentally, that if you
distill out the heavy water fraction, the resulting water will
probably be slightly worse for you than natural water, since its
properties will be very slightly different. I also doubt that heavy
water would accumulate preferentially in living tissue.

Possibly one or two people on this list would be interested to know
that, during the early 1970s, Fleischmann was studying the separation
factors between hydrogen isotopes using palladium filters, via
electrolysis. At that time he deduced from some physical
measurements, that the deuterium absorbed into a palladium lattice
was in an ionized state: it formed, essentially, a cold plasma. He
was also struck by the possibility that the palladium lattice held the
deuterium nuclei in close proximity for long time periods (on the
scale of plasmas). An idea formed and waited in the back of
Fleischmann's mind for more than sixteen years.....

In the physicists world view, the universe can be understood in terms
of a complex of causes preceding effects. Yet, sometimes, something
immaterial from what was once called the ideational realm can change
everything---or, perhaps, just leave the world in con-fusion.
-Patrick

Fri May 17 17:14:53 1996
To: Forum Colloquium
Subject: 0895 Some feedback about books

From: FLORES
Date: Fri, 17 May 96 08:22:57 EDT

Hi there,

My interest in Alchemy started a few months ago while I was trying to
duplicate D. Hudson white gold. Then I discovered this amazing art. I
found practical alchemy very fascinating. I'll try to get some books
and I would like some feedback about them to see if its worthy to get
them.
the books are

The Practical Handbook of Plant Alchemy : An
Herbalist's Guide to Preparing Medicinal Essences,
Tinctures, and Elixirs

by Manfred M. Junius

and

Alchemists Handbook

by Frater Albertus


Has anybody used them?
Thanks for your attention

Ismael Flores

floresi1@westat.com

Fri May 17 17:15:05 1996
To: Forum Colloquium
Subject: 0896 Dew and Alchemy

From: FLORES
Date: Fri, 17 May 96 08:22:52 EDT


Hi there,

Sorry for this question, I'm new here. What is the dew for?

thanks

Ismael Flores

Fri May 17 17:15:14 1996
To: Forum Colloquium
Subject: 0897 John Reid's book

From: FLORES
Date: Fri, 17 May 96 08:22:46 EDT


Hi John,

Thank you for your offer. Yes please send me the text copy of your book. Have
you thought in republishing? I think there are a lot of people interested in
it. Are you in the UK?

my e-mail address in floresi1@westat.com

and thank you again

Ismael Flores

Fri May 17 17:20:29 1996
To: Forum Colloquium
Subject: 0898 French texts (Museum Paris)

From: JoelTetard
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:00:00 +0000

English introduction :

In 1851, the well-known Chemist M-E Chevreul started to study alchemical
texts given by his fellow Armand Seguier.

These texts came from Claude Alexandre Seguier (1656-1725) an officer in
the Royal Regiment who was involved in the study of Alchemy for many
years. C-A Seguier collected a great number of spagyric recipes and
worked on antimony during more than 3 years.

In 1851 M-E Chevreul published in Journal des Savants several papers on
these alchemical texts.
His lab journal is said to be stored at the library of Museum d'Histoire Naturelle in Paris (Ms. 2031) but seems to be lost in fact.

The following texts came from fifty formulas collected by
Claude-Alexandre Seguier (Ms.2032). Due to typographic reasons, we
changed alchemical symbols into their assumed meanings. Modern translations
of these symbols are between brackets. Original abbreviations and
spelling were not changed.

-------------------
Presentation francaise :

Dans une serie d'articles publies a partir de l'annee 1851, le chimiste
M-E Chevreul etudia plusieurs textes alchimiques conserves dans la
famille de son confrere Armand Seguier.

Ces documents provenaient de Claude Alexandre Seguier (1656-1725),
lieutenant au Regiment du Roi et qui avait consacre une grande partie de
sa vie et de ses ressources au travail hermetique.

Outre un important travail de collecte de recettes spagyriques, il a
tenu le journal d'une serie de travaux alchimiques sur l'antimoine et
dont l'execution dura plus de trois ans. Ce texte, figurant sous la
cote 2031 au catalogue du Museum d'Histoire Naturelle de paris, a ete
decrit par M-E Chevreul dans le Journal des Savants de 1851, mais
serait, selon les responsables de la Bibliotheque, aujourd'hui
introuvable.

Les textes suivants sont issus du recueil de cinquante recettes
diverses, ecrites de la main de Claude-Alexandre Seguier et conservees
a la Bibliotheque du Museum de Paris (mns. 2032).

Les abreviations et l'orthographe du texte original ont ete conserves
dans cette transcription. Pour des raisons de typographie, il n'a pu
etre possible de conserver les symboles figurant dans le texte
original. Leur traduction moderne figure entre parentheses.

Notes :
1 - tt semble correspondre a la livre, soit 489,503 grammes.
tt seems to be the old french pound, i.e. 489,503 grammes.

2 - 1 once = 30,594 grammes

3 - 1 pinte = 0,931 litre.

________________________________________________________________________
Page 26. Pour affiner le salpetre

(prendre) par exemple pour 100 tt de salpetre 1tt de chaux 4 onces 2 de
machefer, 4 on. de salpetre fixe par le charbon 2 on.de sel armoniac,
faire bouillir dans environ six pintes d'eau pour en avoir 4 a 5
filtrees. pour mieux faire il faut calciner les matieres au feu de roue
pendant 3 ou 4 heures et ensuite faire bouillir et filtrer.
Fondes donc 200tt de salpetre brute dans une chaudiere de cuivre rouge
avec environ un bon sceau d'eau ou une livre d'eau pour quatre de
salpetre. faires bon feu tant qu'il bouille et ecumes tant qu'il ecume
plus. ensuite jettes y la composition d'eau cy dessus en salpoudrant et
remuant avec un baston, donnes un petit quart d'heure du bouillon ostes
le feu, laisses reposer un quard d'heure pour precipiter les feces,
ostes l'eau ou verses doucement par inclination dans un vaisseau de bois
ou de cuivre rouge. laisses reposer 2 ou 3 fois 24 heures et couvert.
ensuite mettes a l'egous et vous aures votre salpetre cristallise et du
sel blanc au fond du vaisseau.
________________________________________________________________________
Page 1. 30 Teinture d'antimoine

(prendre) (Soufre d'antimoine) qui se fait ainsi. faites regul
(d'antimoine), de 12tt par exemple d'antimoine, 8tt de tartre rouge et
4tt de salpetre separes les scories du regul, faites eau de chaux
en imbibant peu a peu la chaux vive d'eau commune pour l'esteindre, il
faut prendre de chaux le double de ce que vous aves de scories, ensuite
quand votre chaux sera esteinte, faites la bouillir avec eau commune
dans une terrine vernie tant que vous aves suffisante quantite de
lessive qu'il faudra filtrer par le papier gris. dans cette eau filtree
faites dissoudre vos scories pilees et quand elle commencera a bouillir
prenes avec un pot de lad. eau teinte de (Soufre) jettes la sur un
filtre, elle passera teinte rouge jaune; remettes dans la terrine vernie
de leau de chaux a la place de celle que vous aves otes, faites bouillir
et passer par le mesme filtre et ainsy jusqu'a ce que toute nostre
lessive soit emploiee, il restera sur le filtre un (Soufre) grossier.
Dans l'eau passee par le filtre, jettes du vinaigre pour faire
precipiter le (Soufre) en le remuant avec un baston, jettes sur un
nouveau filtre, l'eau passera et le (Soufre) demeurera dessus,
precipites lad. eau passee avec du vinaigre et remettes sur le filtre
tant qu'il n'y ait plus de (Soufre) dans l'eau, faites secher vostre
(Soufre) doucement soit au soleil soit a l'ombre.
Ensuite (prendre) 8 onces de sel de tartre qui se fait avec du tartre
rouge calcine ou blanc dissous filtre et evaporee, meles avec six onces
du (Soufre) susdit mettes entre deux (creusets) lutes a feu
de roue pendant 4 h par degres. a la derniere heure faites monter le
charbon jusque par dessus les (creusets) en sorte qu'ils rougissent
laisses mourir le feu de lui mesme casses le (creuset) vous aures une
matiere jaunatre, piles la et mettes dans une curcubite avec esprit de
vin, bouches d'une rencontre, mettes a digerer a petit feu pendant 24 h.
remuant de temps en temps la matiere, quand l'esprit de vin sera charge,
verse par inclination remettes en d'autre tant qu'il se chargera, faites
distiller nostre esprit jusqu'a consistance raisonnable de notre
teinture.

________________________________________________________________________
P. 52 Pour faire le regul de Mars

Mettes dans un (creuset) que vous aures pose sur le culot au four a vent
bien entoure de charbon ardents 1tt de pointes de cloud de marechal et
les y laisses jusqu'a ce qu'ils soient tout blanc a force de rougeur.
alors mettes y 2tt (d'antimoine) grossierement broie; couvres le
(creuset) de son couvercle puis de charbon et donnes le plus grand feu
que vous pourres durant une bonne demie h. ou jusqu'a ce que vous voies
que toutes nos matieres sont en fonte et sont liquides ce que vous
connoistres quand vous enfonceres un charbon allumes jusqu'au fond du
(creuset) et que vous ne trouverez rien qui ne soit liquide, ce
qu'estant fait jettes y environ une once ou 2 de (nitre) puis
(prendre) le(creuset) avec les tenailles et le sortes du fourneau et le
mettes dans le coin d'une cheminee le frappant un peu par les bords
pour faire bien descendre la matiere metallique au fond du (creuset).

Quand on a beaucoup de regul a faire en attendant que le (creuset) soit
refroidi on remet de nouvelle matiere dans un nouveau (creuset) et on
procede comme ci dessus.

Le prem. (creuset) estant entierement refroidi on le casse pour avoir le
regul qui est au fond qu'il faut separer des scories qui sont dessus ce
qui se fait facilement a coup de marteau.

Les scories separees on casse le regul en 2 ou 3 morceaux et on met dans
un (creuset) au four a vent jusqu'a ce qu'il soit fondu, puis il faut y
jeter 4 ou 6 onces de (d'antimoine) puis donner bon feu un petit demi
quart d'heure et que le tout soit en bonne fusion. puis jettes y 2 ou 3
onces de (nitre) laisses le bien fondre le remuant avec un long charbon
que vous tiendres avec les pincettes, estant bien fondu, jettes le tout
dans un mortier chaud graisses de suif, battes le bord du mortier pour
faire descendre le regul au fond puis laisses refroidir jusqu'a ce
qu'il soit fige ou coagule. apres renverses le mortier pour tirer le
regul et le mettes dans de l'eau refroidir separes bien les scories de
dessus a coup de marteau qui sont encor fort sales, essuiees les mesmes
avec du sablon pour en oster la salete le plus que vous pourres.

Refondes ce regul dans un (creuset) neuf puis y jettes encor environ 2
onces de (nitre) ce qui se fait toutesfois a discretion sans samuser a
le poiser lequel estant bien fondu et remue avec un charbon qu'on tient
avec les pincettes comme dessus jusqu'a ce que le salpetre vous paroisse
tout en huile, jettes le ensuite dans le mortier chaud frotte de suif
et en separes le (nitre) qui sera jaune qu'est signe que le regul
commence a se purifier. refondes ce regul p. la 3eme fois dans un
(creuset) neuf avec les mesmes precautions et de la mesme maniere que
dessus en y jettant pareille quantite de (nitre) et qu'il soit bien
fondu en (eau ?) par le moien d'un charbon avec lequel on le remue puis
verses au mortier frotte de suif et alors il sera marque de lestoille
qui est la marque de sa purete qui doit peser 1tt si vous aves bien
opere que s'il n'estoit pas asses pur vous le fondre encor une 4eme
fois comme ci dessus, mais je crois qu'il n'en sera pas necessaire.

Sat May 18 13:58:59 1996
To: Forum Colloquium
Subject: 0899 Dew & Health

From: Steven Rimpici
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:05:48 -0400

I too have read of the effects of heavy water on aging. Is there any type
of substance that will bond with heavy water but not H20? Is it possible to
filter out the D20 from tap water?

I'd appreciate any help anyone can give.

In love and light,
Steven Rimpici

Sat May 18 13:59:24 1996
To: Forum Colloquium
Subject: 0900 Attraction to worldly activities that deplete our libido

From: Peggy
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:00:40 -0500 (EST)

Wisa:
>A comment about repression only related to a thought that came up as I
>was reading this one sentence.
>>Attraction to worldly activities that deplete our libido

Lust for result has a bad effect I find because it brings with
it fear of failure (and sometimes fear of success). But suppressing
attractions, hmmmmm..... Do you mean that is good or bad? I try
not to suppress attractions, in general, but I have one very strong
attraction that I have deliberately locked behind a door marked
"Don't Go There," (in red and yellow flashing lights) because exploring
it would cause me a lot of pain and upset.

So in that way I use repression as a tool, but I try to at least
be aware of that which I am represssing.

Regards,

- Peggy -